The real fight is about what should be in the marketplace and what should not. Should education be a marketable commodity? Should healthcare?
If you cut down a forest, it doesn't matter how many sawmills you have if there are no more trees.
I'm a radical reformist, because between where we are and where I want to go there's a great deal of work, and I won't see the end of this.
The World Development Movement, to take just one example, is doing good work. Some political parties are, too.
What it missing, I think, is this notion of the common good.
Markets can't think about anything beyond about three months. This is very long-term for markets, which is why the important things in life have got to be taken outside of the marketplace.
Redistribution of wealth would require enormous amounts of investment. The only time an elite has accepted this has been during crises, such as in America in the 1930s under Roosevelt.
I think the market is always going to be around. The goal is not to say, let's get rid of the market, because the market does render a huge number of services, and I don't want to have a fight about the price of something every time I buy a book or a...
If we wait for the U.S. to do something, we will be waiting for a very long time. It's Europe, it's Australia, it's the other developed and middle developing countries that have got to do the job.
The natural capital is not income, but we spend our natural capital as if it were revenue, as if it were going to come back next year without any problems, whereas these renewals in nature can take hundreds of years.
Having enough to eat, being able to educate your children, have reasonably stable employment, and being able to live in a society which isn't collapsing around you-all of these things have been generally eroded.
If the economy becomes disembodied from society it can only lead to disaster.
We're trying to run a 21st century society and economy with 19th century Darwinian, competitive, crude ideas.
There's people coming in who've never done any politics at all, who've never been in a trade union, they've never been in a political party, they've never done anything, but they do feel a kind of urgency.
It seems to be the thing now that young people are getting back into politics.
What you need if you want jobs are small and medium sized enterprises, local initiatives, labour intensive work, community development, service providers and the like.
